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LR Extractions with 22g dose, medium/light roast

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1 year 8 months ago #15046 by Dan Tochterman
LR Extractions with 22g dose, medium/light roast was created by Dan Tochterman
Hey Reiss -

was wondering how much weight you extract with lighter roasts + larger doses? do you still aim for 27g/27s or 30g+ ?

thanks!

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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #15050 by Reiss Gunson
Replied by Reiss Gunson on topic LR Extractions with 22g dose, medium/light roast
hi dan

im use the IMS 18-20g basket as my default basket

surprisingly it will hold 24g of a super light roast that needs a fine grind, but is more comfortable with 23g

i would then go for a brew/shot weight of 23g initially and extend it to perhaps 30g if i felt it was too overpowering at a brew ratio of 1:1

a flow rate of 1g/s is still a good place to start, which you can adjust from if necessary

obviously with a large, finely ground, dose i am running an elevated pre-infusion pressure, currently 5.5 bar at the pressure transducer (giving 4.5 bar at the puck) and the pre-infusion time is getting up towards 15s

kind regards

reiss.
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1 year 8 months ago #15066 by Lukasz Dziekan
Replied by Lukasz Dziekan on topic LR Extractions with 22g dose, medium/light roast
I wonder what your extraction range is?
I could go to 17g to 30g for medium-dark roast and get over 19%, but even with this roast at 1:1 ratio I got under-extracted coffee 17.5% I think.

With light roast at 2:1 I get over 20%, so maybe if I was aiming for lower extraction...

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1 year 8 months ago #15067 by Reiss Gunson
Replied by Reiss Gunson on topic LR Extractions with 22g dose, medium/light roast
i dont measure it - i use my tongue

with a super light roast the challenge is getting enough body and reigning in the acidity

a pre-infusion pressure of 4.5 bar at the puck achieves this

if you run the shot too long you start to lose the body and you begin to wonder if it is espresso any more

your tongue is a very important tool in the process

23g dose in a 23g brew weight is over whelming for some people's taste

kind regards

reiss.

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1 year 8 months ago #15068 by Lukasz Dziekan
Replied by Lukasz Dziekan on topic LR Extractions with 22g dose, medium/light roast
I agree tongue is quite good tool and I can more easily say whether I underextracted (mostly very unbalanced acid).

However if we want to extract as much as we can, I would say it would depend on equipment, coffee and technique.
At one point a slightly higher extraction looses something in coffee.

Though knowing your TDS would be interesting, because at 1:1 ratio it is directly extraction yield.
So 16% vs 18 or even 20% will fill totally different (even if we just dissolve sugars ;) ).

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1 year 8 months ago #15069 by Reiss Gunson
Replied by Reiss Gunson on topic LR Extractions with 22g dose, medium/light roast
hi lukasz

i dont wish to upset you, but we are chasing rainbows here

the coffee i am using is different from the coffee you am using

my taste in coffee is unlikely to match yours

the point of the pressure transducer is to first and foremost improve reliability and secondly it brings the capability of the L1/2/3 design to the LR with the ability to change the configuration of the machine with no tools and without the need to independently verify the change, eg with a pressure gauge mounted in a portafilter

to this end i purchased a high quality single origin roast here in Auckland and wanted to show that with elevated pre-infusion it could be given body and the acidity could be brought into a range that makes it palatable to drink, rather than a thin mean glass of lemon juice

the exact numbers for the shot are useless unless you are planning to buy a bag of it from https://www.kokako.co.nz/collections/coffee/products/bukonzojointKokako coffee roasters here in Auckland

kind regards

reiss.

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